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Vids are live!!! As you might imagine, they’re tight.
Sixteen vids in alphabetical order by title:
Another Life - by beccatoria for hmmyeahokay
Connection - by ghost lingering for Sanguinity
Deep Red Bells - by chaila for for fray-adjacent
The Dream Before - by Sanguinity for ghost lingering
Drought - by hmmyeahokay for ghost lingering
Her Cold Metal Hands - by seekingferret for Cara Marie
Losing Our Religions - by ghost lingering for Sanguinity
The Luddite Spy - by seekingferret for Sanguinity
Mineshaft - by chaila for beccatoria
The Monkey’s Paw - by Sanguinity for seekingferret
Safe as Houses - by chaila for Nicole Anell
Seamstress - by chaila for kiki_miserychic
Skynet: Life in the Balance - by seekingferret for ghost lingering
Small Words, Bigger Lessons - by Cara Marie for Nicole Anell
Strange Angels - by Sanguinity for beccatoria
We Used to Wait - by Nicole Anell for chaila
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Recipients, please try to thank your vidder! You may have gotten more than one gift vid, so please check the whole list. I have tagged vid posts by recipient too (r: [your name]) to make that easier.
If I accidentally messed up someone's anonymity or made any errors in titles or summaries or notes or generally screwed up anything at all, let me know privately by PM to
chaila or email tsccvidexchange[at]gmail[dot]com.
Go forth, watch, feedback, and enjoy! HOORAY.
Vidder names will be revealed next Sunday. Vidders, please don’t reveal the vids you made or post your vids anywhere else until the anon period is over!
Sixteen vids in alphabetical order by title:
Another Life - by beccatoria for hmmyeahokay
Connection - by ghost lingering for Sanguinity
Deep Red Bells - by chaila for for fray-adjacent
The Dream Before - by Sanguinity for ghost lingering
Drought - by hmmyeahokay for ghost lingering
Her Cold Metal Hands - by seekingferret for Cara Marie
Losing Our Religions - by ghost lingering for Sanguinity
The Luddite Spy - by seekingferret for Sanguinity
Mineshaft - by chaila for beccatoria
The Monkey’s Paw - by Sanguinity for seekingferret
Safe as Houses - by chaila for Nicole Anell
Seamstress - by chaila for kiki_miserychic
Skynet: Life in the Balance - by seekingferret for ghost lingering
Small Words, Bigger Lessons - by Cara Marie for Nicole Anell
Strange Angels - by Sanguinity for beccatoria
We Used to Wait - by Nicole Anell for chaila
***
Recipients, please try to thank your vidder! You may have gotten more than one gift vid, so please check the whole list. I have tagged vid posts by recipient too (r: [your name]) to make that easier.
If I accidentally messed up someone's anonymity or made any errors in titles or summaries or notes or generally screwed up anything at all, let me know privately by PM to
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Go forth, watch, feedback, and enjoy! HOORAY.
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Date: 2013-05-12 01:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 02:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 08:27 pm (UTC)It makes me sad that they all only have a few comments because all the ones I've seen so far deserve masses of love, but I also don't want to, like, give away what I made by commenting on everything except the ones I made. ~problems~
Also, my first official guess for who made what: I'm going with
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Date: 2013-05-12 08:49 pm (UTC)It's early and a Sunday and a US holiday, so I'm hoping the vids will get a little more traffic over the week, but yeeeah I doubt it's gonna be a high feedback exchange. Woe. I feel like the show has a relatively small but devoted following, but in general is a pretty rare fandom these days. I might just comment and flout anonymity! It's already kind of weird that I know who made everything.
I make no comment but to note your guess! I do note that I locked the sign up post so people couldn't go back and compare. :D
Re: your other comment, yes, it was so interesting to see vids come in and see who had vidded what and who had received what, and to see the similar themes in many of them. And it wasn't even b/c people were vidding similar things for the same requests; they were often for different people and different requests.
I solemnly swear that I did not make all the vids! Hee.
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Date: 2013-05-12 08:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 02:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 04:32 pm (UTC)Well, not bed, but couch. But still. BRAIN HAS OVERLOADED FROM AWESOME.
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Date: 2013-05-12 08:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 02:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 08:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 04:30 pm (UTC)I am OVERWHELMED with the wonderfulness, and I've only seen my own gifts so far. ("Only," she says, as if one of them wasn't twenty minutes of fabulosity.) I'm going to have to take a bit of a break before I settle in to watch the rest.
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Date: 2013-05-12 08:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 09:58 pm (UTC)I still haven't QUITE made way through them all -- so many! -- but what I've seen so far, the quality of the collection has been really high.
Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-14 04:47 pm (UTC)I cannot guess much, because I do not know many of the vidders all that well? But for the moment, I'm guessing
Also, more tentatively,
...although, frankly, I twitch to guess anyone for Losing My Religion, because it is a project of SUCH ASTONISHING AMBITION with SO MUCH time and attention sunk into it, that I don't want to even temporarily miscredit it! So if I have misguessed, dear vidder, please don't feel slighted! Whoever you are, you are amazing.
Also, FWIW, these guesses predate those three sweeping through and leaving comments for everyone, but you'll just have to trust me on that. :-P
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-15 03:24 am (UTC)Keeping in mind that I have been mostly off-line since yesterday so I don't know who commented on what and I haven't seen everything yet (and knowing me I probably accidentally guessed that someone made a vid that they themselves recieved), some thoughts:
First, it should be pointed out that Chaila *did* say that she might use this exchange to make ten TSCC vids, which is how many characters are in the Losing Our Religions vid series thing, yes? Or, it could be a collaboration between multiple vidders, which seems like the smart way to do a project that long on a deadline.
Other guesses:
I was going to guess either becctoria or genusshirke for Safe as Houses. (Beginning reminds me of the Death Note vid that genusshirke made for festivids ... two years ago? Something like that.)
Nicole Anell for We Used to Wait.
Strange Angels: kiki-miserychic??? (Didn't she made the 9 minute Terminator vid from VVC a few years ago? That is what made me think of her for this because both this vid and that vid used footage from the movies, BUT if I am misremembering and that vid was made by someone else then ... IDEK.)
Deep Red Bells: ... you????
Small Words, Bigger Lessons: Chaila???
The Dream Before and Drought I am having serious issues guessing. I have basically cycled through ALLLLLLLLL the participants and back and I still don't have any guesses. I am still pretty sure that seekingferret made my Skynet vid though, so I'm hoping to guess at least one of my vidders correctly.
Oh and I think that seekingferret also made the vid Her Cold Metal Hands; I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet (vids in other languages take me longer to process, as do vids with subtitles, so I've been saving it for when I can sit down and read the translated lyrics before watching the unsubtitled version followed by the subtitled ones and I just haven't had time) but he posted something about opera on his journal aaaaaaaand. That's really as far as the logic goes there.
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-15 04:28 pm (UTC)Mm, Chaila has been working on some non-TSCC stuff for WisCon, and has been bemoaning, publicly and privately, that WisCon has cut into her tightpresent vidding output. (It could be a ruse, but if so, she's been running that ruse very consistently, even when the convo isn't about tightpresent.) So I'm comfy saying this behemoth wasn't hers. Also, if it had Chaila's, there would have been less Derek, Felicia Burnett would likely have been one of the characters, and Chaila would never have resisted including Sarah. Additionally, Chaila tends to build her vids differently than how this is built. I'm quite confident this isn't Chaila's. (Is Chaila sniggering at me right now because Losing Our Religions is hers?? WE SHALL SEE.)
You're right, Losing Our Religions could be a collaboration; I hadn't considered that. And I don't know enough about the mechanics of vid collaboration to know how likely that is. Nor do I know who I would consider for additional collaborators.
However, I also note that YOU just used the proper vid title, instead of following my (incorrect) usage. Now, you might be the kind of detail-obsessed person who scrolled back up to the top of the page to check the real title before typing -- or, alternatively, the kind of person who would never ever confuse a vid title, no matter who had mistyped it and how recently -- but most people would have followed my priming just now, never realizing they had done it. The original vidder, however, would not be so susceptible... ;-)
(Confirmation bias! Such a seductive thing!)
As to your guesses...
Strange Angels: No, that ten-minute Terminator vid was by
Deep Red Bells: Well, I did mention an interest in that character back when the rules/structure of the challenge was being discussed. So that was probably me. :-D
Small Words, Bigger Lessons: I considered Chaila for that, too (I considered Chaila for everything, because she's one of the few whose style I know well enough to bother with the consideration). And it well could be hers, but that's nothing that I feel any confidence about.
I have no guesses for Dream Before nor Drought.
And I know what Seekingferret made, so you surely don't want me commenting on that, do you? ;-)
But re Her Cold Metal Hands: there are hardly any lyrics at all, if that helps? However, a substantial portion of the vid is the vidder punning on the lyrics; you might find the subtitled version more satisfying than the non-subtitled.
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-16 12:42 am (UTC)*snickers* That made me giggle. BUT! I would have been making *you* a vid, and *you* like Derek (not that I don't! blah blah long story). I do vid to specification when it is called for. :) And the vidder did say Sarah Connor *is* a religion, and my positive opinions on that point are all over the record. :D Not that I made it. Or didn't make it.
Chaila tends to build her vids differently than how this is built
Well damn it, now I'm just curious about how I build my vids!
I can't guess, but watching y'all guess is *almost* as fun.
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-16 01:52 am (UTC)I would also imagine that there would be some limitations on characters based on what covers there are? So maybe that is why certain characters were excluded/included.
I am also curious about how I must format my vids for me to be a guess.
Haven't gotten a chance to watch either of the Dessa vids but I would point out that chaila, genusshirke, and I have all vidded (autocorrect wanted that to be cuddled) Dessa before so I guess one of the three of us. Can I guess myself? Whatever I just did. (Since my Dessa vid issues don't apply when I'm in charge of the vidding. Blah blah long story, blame spn and Harry Potter for ruining trust in people's ability to vid Dessa)
I also wonder if we can add, say, giandujakiss as a possibility for a pitch hitter.
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-16 05:47 pm (UTC)First off, I haven't seen as many of your vids as I have of Beccatoria's or Chaila's: our fandoms don't seem to overlap much, and I only went looking this week, after wondering if you made these two I was gifted with. (SO MUCH VID-WATCHING THIS WEEK. I SHOULD BE DOING HOMEWORK RIGHT NOW, NOT WATCHING AND DISCUSSING VIDS.) But, that said, based on your Criminal Minds vids and your Moya vid: you are perfectly willing to make an earnest, heartfelt vid; and you are just as willing to take it at a languid pace, lingering on quiet expressions, allowing the actors to do their thing. There's a LOT of both those attributes in Losing Our Religions. Also, based on the Elle vid, you are perfectly capable of playing with music and motion, or building sequences with a certain level of cleverness/complexity in them. Unsurprisingly, there's less of that in Losing Our Religions -- presuming a single vidder and given that there is TWENTY MINUTES OF VID HERE, I'd expect the vidder to quite often opt for the simpler end of zir technical range, and in fact this vidder quite frequently displays a simple and clean style -- yet there are still moments and/or sequences that exhibit a pronounced flair for musical timing, or involve a more complex construction of ideas. (Said complexity is particularly evident in the Jesse and Derek vids, I thought: I wouldn't be surprised if they took more attention to make than some of the others of similar length. And gosh, you are on-record as being a HUGE DEREK FAN.)
Oh, and you've got fifteen published vids: you have the required experience with vidding to make the project feasible. (I, in contrast, do not: coming into this exchange, I had one published vid and the vidding experience commensurate with that. I could NEVER have pulled that off.)
Like I said in the original guess, I'm guessing you not because OMG OBVIOUS, but because it's consistent with things you have said and vids you have made (and remains consistent with what you have said since), and I couldn't find a vid on the masterlist that fit what you had said better. But despite all of these words I've thrown at it, it really is only a tentative guess.
After all, we have a week of anonymity to play with; I thought I'd be a good sport and take a shot at it, even if it's little more than a shot in the dark. This, here, is my shot in the dark. :-P
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-17 02:26 am (UTC)But your analysis is interesting! And I am impressed by how much effort you are putting into guessing, going so far as to watch old vids of mine.
Watch when this turns out to be made by someone totally random who isn't even on the list of participants we will all have been fooled.
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-17 05:55 am (UTC)...well, the data was there. It made sense to at least check. (Data! I can't build bricks without clay!) Plus also, all the vids in this exchange were so good, it's unlikely that it'd be a waste of my time to check out the other vids of any of the participants. An impressive amount of data-checking would have been going through EVERYONE'S back catalog, which I haven't done. :-/
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-19 05:16 pm (UTC)I GUESSED YOU RIGHT I GUESSED YOU RIGHT HAHAHA I GUESSED YOU RIGHT!
*ridiculously pleased with myself*
Did I mention that I really liked your vids? I REALLY LIKED YOUR VIDS. (KERMIT LIKES YOUR VIDS TOO!)
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-16 05:01 pm (UTC)It was never that you don't like Derek; it is that you don't like him forgetting his appointed place within the show. (Derek should never be allowed to become Peter!) So while you can and have made a WHOLE ENTIRE VID about Derek, I would be surprised if you gave him this much prominence in an ensemble collection.
And vidding to spec doesn't come into it, because you know that I don't hang my love for the show on Derek, and you also know that I am in sympathy with the "don't let him become Peter" issue. You could have put in less Derek than this and had a clean conscience about doing so. Thus, you probably would have. SO THERE. :-P
(God, I am going to regret this convo if you made that vid. I HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING THIS, CHAILA.)
:: Well damn it, now I'm just curious about how I build my vids! ::
...okay. This is subjective impressions, more than objective truth? And I'm going to describe this in a more formalist way than I think either you or beccatoria quite do? Also, these are not the *only* things you do, not by any means. And they don't even necessarily distinguish you from other vidders: these are just the cues that, when I'm watching a TSCC vid, make me think, "Ah, that's very chaila/beccatoria," not because they're necessarily unique to you, but because I've seen more of either of your combined TSCC work than I've seen of anyone else's, so I associate these things with you.
You and beccatoria both like to do a lot of fast cutting, and use that to densely interleave ideas with each other, like... Venetian blinds? One set of clips are the blinds themselves, one set is what you see through the blinds? Except not necessarily as literal as that: sometimes you're not interleaving two scenes, but two themes or ideas. (Although sometimes your interleaving is exactly as literal as "venetian blinds" would imply: one of your Gaga vids started that way, and you did it a bit on the Derek vid, and beccatoria did it all over the place on Howl and on The Queen.) Also, the interleaving can be more than two layers: I've seen three and four out of both of you, I'm pretty sure. (Of course, this "how many layers deep" issue is hard to define because of the long-block / short-block issue. Take ababcdcdababcdcd: is that four layers, or two interleaved within two? btw, Beccatoria is a LOT more of a formalist about this than you are, Chaila.)
But despite having that aggressively fast interleaving in common, there's a different overall sensation in my head between your and beccatoria's vids. Beccatoria's quick interleaving feels... rounder, like a running your finger over a surface that goes bump-bump-bump-bump-bump, like a ridged rhythm stick. While your interleaving, chaila, feels sharp-edged, cutting, like serrations. Some of that I think is purely sensory -- you pushing light/dark contrasts in adjacent clips, or more commonly, cutting from interrupted motion to interrupted motion to interrupted motion in a way that increases the sharp-edgedness of the sequence.
However, a lot of the rounded vs. serrated difference between your two sets of vids is cognitive: your processing clock speed, chaila, runs substantially faster than mine, while beccatoria's is only a little faster than mine. Your between-clip cognitive jumps are bigger than beccatoria's, and what you mean by a clip is often pretty abstract. (I've come to believe that you have a whole layer of mental coding about this show that I have no access to.) I can nearly follow beccatoria's interleaving in real time, but with yours, chaila, I really can't: usually on the first run-through, I have only the vaguest of ideas of what the vid's main idea might have been. (Gosh, that sounds horrible. But I hope I have been clear over the last however-long that you have made many vids that I love: if you recall, I came to know you because I like your vids. Also, even if I don't know what you might have meant until later viewings, I usually have a clear and strong emotional response on first viewing. That's nothing like a given with other vids that I don't understand right off. A clear and strong emotional response is more than reason enough to hit replay to try to figure out the rest of it.)
So there you are, chaila: the REAL reason I think you didn't make Losing Our Religions is because I understood great enormous swathes of it on the first go. :-P
behold that I have made this all about meeee
Date: 2013-05-17 12:36 am (UTC)To make your guessing harder, I will confess that I have actually been working on that for awhile? Slowing things down at least a little in hopes that the visual speed won't overwhelm the ideas or feelings, or at least doing the fast cutting when I consciously *mean* to and not just because my editing got away from me. I have a whole slew of early TSCC vids that I can't even watch anymore because I want a chance at re-editing! But it's kind of a constant battle with myself not to KEYSMASH IDEAS with quick flashes of visual ideas instead of proper clips. :) (I also think I often don't *have* one main idea that a vid is about, so I'm not offended by any of this in the least, it's meeee).
Which, um, has made this thread all my introspection about my own vidding. Anyway, the fact that you can approach other people's vids in this way and pick out styles/patterns like that explains quite a bit to me about your vidding, which I think show a far greater understanding of a lot of vidding aesthetics/conventions than my own vidding had for, like, years, because I only figure out this stuff in very roundabout trial-and-error ways, if at all, and can never implement it on purpose.
Re: behold that I have made this all about meeee
Date: 2013-05-17 02:36 am (UTC)I'm also super jealous that you find cutting quickly to be easy/intuitive. I am forever trying to get myself to cut faster, faster, faster. I find it really hard! My keysmashes are usually more like: LOOK AT THIS SCENE. NO, YOU HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING. KEEP LOOKING I SAID, THIS SCENE IS SO GREAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF IT.
Re: behold that I have made this all about meeee
Date: 2013-05-17 04:33 am (UTC)Re: behold that I have made this all about meeee
Date: 2013-05-19 05:14 pm (UTC)(all this next bit is post-reveals, for those coming later)
Oh, nicely played, Chaila! And I do hope that you're pleased that you successfully slowed down your visual speed enough that I mistook one of your vids for something of Beccatoria! :-D
But I think it's hilarious that you and Ghost_Lingering both went to the "I've been trying to stop doing that" place when I pointed out something that was distinctive in each of your styles. Especially since I directly lifted some of your tricks for Monkey's Paw. (In particular, the stutter-stopping the zoom at 0:40, but other things, too.) :-P
And thank you for the compliment! I think it a little hilarious that some of the things that my vids were most enthusiastically complimented on were places where I went, "Hell if I know. I'll just slap a super-formalist structure over some marginally relevant clips, and hope that suffices." Apparently formalism looks like you know what you were doing. That, or formalism gives people a better opportunity to create a meaning? I don't even know. I'm just happy that it works so well.
Re: behold that I have made this all about meeee
Date: 2013-05-19 11:14 pm (UTC)I TOTALLY AM. :D It is always flattering to be mistaken for beccatoria, let's be honest.
My favorite post was how
I always get the most compliments on the parts of my vids I either liked the least or had no idea about. Partly I think it's b/c I might work harder on those and so they at least *seem* intentional? But I do think a sort of formal pattern that seems cohesive and complete makes it easier for people to ascribe their own meaning, or makes them feel like there is a clear one and they just have to suss it out. Which people do all the time anyway. I can never figure out how to do it all *on purpose* though. :)
Re: behold that I have made this all about meeee
Date: 2013-05-21 07:42 pm (UTC)Someone needs to teach
It is a singular pleasure that people will take things away from a work that you had not thought you were putting in there. It's one of the big reasons we don't just write essays, imo. :-D
there's a difference between lying and not telling people the ending of books and I can only do one
Date: 2013-05-22 01:52 am (UTC)LOR: http://ghost-lingering.dreamwidth.org/155957.html
Connections: http://ghost-lingering.dreamwidth.org/155672.html
But I'm still not back on-line enough to reply to most comments, etc)
But since I had this post tracked and this is the last comment I have in my inbox from you (and therefore the easiest to find to let you know the vid posts are unlocked) that means I'm here already ...
For the record, I wasn't actually trying to convince you one way or the other re: who made my vids. I didn't really work that hard to be anon after all -- if I had I wouldn't have vidded elephant connection or a shit ton of covers or posted about the clipping process. So, mostly I suggested Chaila and/or multiple people for LOR because I thought it was hilarious. I mean, I'd LOVE to see a LOR type project from Chaila (for TSCC especially) and it *would* have been smarter if I hadn't done it by myself, on a deadline, for someone I didn't know.
I suppose it might also be true that I tried to explicitly deny credit for LOR in particular because I occaisionally have issues with how guessing can lead to miscrediting and since LOR is sort of my ridic feelings baby I was extra sensitive to that. By which I mean, for LOR, if you'd guessed someone else and they'd gone "oh yeah, I totally made it" even if it was clearly in jest I'd have been a bit upset. So even though I did make it, I didn't want to do the same thing that would make me sad if someone else did it, i.e. joke that I had made it or something similar. Which is ridiculous and logic-twisty for oh-so-many reasons, but there you go.
Still laughing forever that you guessed me for Connections because of the ridiculous vid/baby notes. I mean, very astute of you, but still laughing forever.
And thank you forever and ever for The Dream Before. It's all of the twisty time travel angst that made me fall in love with this show to begin with.
Re: there's a difference between lying and not telling people the ending of books and I can only do
Date: 2013-05-22 05:37 am (UTC)(I knew that Chaila had made Deep Red Bells -- and she knew that I knew -- and I consequently figured my joking wouldn't bother her, but I should check, in case.)
This person you don't know loved LOR. Just in case that failed to come through, somehow. Not that knowing now that I loved it makes your decisions then any easier, but: it all came out excellently in the end.
And you are very welcome for Dream Before! When I realized I had a time travel song on my hands, I was exceedingly glad that someone had had the foresight to request it!
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-19 05:26 pm (UTC)Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-19 05:29 pm (UTC)Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-20 01:28 pm (UTC)Seriously, I don't know what the point of me being anonymous was. :P
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-20 01:55 pm (UTC)Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-22 02:05 am (UTC)LONG STORY SHORT: you were the only person in the exchange that I knew liked opera and it was clear in my mind because I had been reading your dw journal.
Re: Guessing!
Date: 2013-05-22 12:51 pm (UTC)I know Voyager only very slightly. I've seen enough of the show to know the characters, but not enough to know much about their arcs.
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Date: 2013-05-12 10:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-12 11:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-13 12:59 am (UTC)Because of the holiday I haven't had the chance to watch any of the not-for-me vids yet, but I hope to watch and leave comments soon. Just seeing so many fills me with joy, though! I have no doubt they'll be amazing. <3
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Date: 2013-05-13 02:54 am (UTC)I can attest that they are all awesome and that this whole thing is pretty much the best thing ever. I may be ruined for all other exchanges. :)
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